Hi Fire
I see one problem, and that is using the median scores for a match. It seems that if only 2 players are playing on one team, the scores can become greatly skewed. For example if the best team in the grade plays the bottom team in the grade, and the bottom team has only 2 players - those scores can be off the charts and will throw the grading system way out of kilter. My suggestion is just to NOT include games unless they are evenly matched per person.
I have no idea how to do that, but just thought it might be something you have to look at in the future.
And my previous suggestion from years past; once you get the grading system down to a science, is to make the Arena just encompass one grade. That is with a handicapping system, similar to that which they use in bowling. For example, person A - averages 100, person B averages 50 - depending on the handicap, you can give person B up to 50 points to level the playing field. I recommend a 100% handicap myself, but 90 or 95 could be acceptable.
Huge

Excelent questions Redd

Your scenarios are still only taking into account the best score of each player, not every score they receive during a match. I will post an example of a match at the bottom of this post

If as you say the median is the same across A and C grades then you still have to take into account B grade as the person in C grade 1st gets the B gradefactor applied and then the A gradefactor applied. If the grade factors are 1 or more then we have made some serious mistakes in grading, but when you think about it, I cant see how this could be possible

The player who answers in 1.89 secs score 7 points for fast, the bot normally allows about 1.5 secs for the rest of the answers to register so 3.328 would still register on the same question... just, and they would score 4 points for fast

here is the fast, row and cpm scores for TAT v KFA (recorded 9/4/11 at 8.41 am GMT +10) (thats 9th of April for the Americans)

CPM:
[1]
ReddFigg=109.09
BlueBayou=72.18
[2]
ReddFigg=153.62
robinhood4683=116.86
Flyer531=107.09
[3]
Flyer531=157.36
BlueBayou=152.36
ReddFigg=144.37
celtie=137.61
Miranda=123.86
[5]
celtie=59.3
BlueBayou=45.71
[6]
Miranda=87.61
[7]
Miranda=42.26
[8]
Miranda=95.06
robinhood4683=92.76
BlueBayou=88.5
celtie=83.85
[9]
robinhood4683=69.92
ReddFigg=69.04
BlueBayou=68.39
Flyer531=65.43
Miranda=64.33
[10]
BlueBayou=54.6
Flyer531=54.09
Miranda=48.75
[11]
robinhood4683=72.9
BlueBayou=71.12
Miranda=63.65
Flyer531=45.35
[13]
robinhood4683=106.67
Flyer531=94.82
ReddFigg=80.43
Miranda=75.28
celtie=70.78
[14]
robinhood4683=37.02
BlueBayou=32.94
[15]
ReddFigg=102.39
Flyer531=96.62
BlueBayou=83.04
celtie=76.8
robinhood4683=72.12
[16]
celtie=72.45
Miranda=60.79
[17]
BlueBayou=179.28
robinhood4683=132.01
[18]
ReddFigg=52.36
Flyer531=49.86
robinhood4683=42.19
[19]
Miranda=82.29
[20]
ReddFigg=71.32
[21]
Miranda=88.37
[22]
robinhood4683=34.06
BlueBayou=31.12
[23]
robinhood4683=128.71
Flyer531=124.52
ReddFigg=119.36
Miranda=111.28
celtie=96.39
[24]
BlueBayou=245.15
celtie=167.56
[25]
celtie=86.48
BlueBayou=76.49
Miranda=72.45
robinhood4683=62.33
[26]
BlueBayou=262.71
[27]
Miranda=97.22
[28]
robinhood4683=67.37
[29]
ReddFigg=97.37
[30]
Miranda=57.67
[31]
ReddFigg=90.35
[32]
celtie=116.38
ReddFigg=114.41
[33]
BlueBayou=310.12
Flyer531=255.99
celtie=241.43
[34]
celtie=23.98
[35]
Miranda=31.73
robinhood4683=26.62
[36]
celtie=48.61
[37]
ReddFigg=142.22
Miranda=126.61
[38]
Miranda=80.63
ReddFigg=77.78
BlueBayou=69.5
[39]
BlueBayou=138.57
ReddFigg=135.09
celtie=124.44
Flyer531=123.89
Miranda=117.38
robinhood4683=107.97
[40]
Miranda=67.37
Flyer531=66.79
[41]
ReddFigg=165.18
Flyer531=152.09
celtie=141.59
Miranda=135.94
[42]
BlueBayou=290.29
ReddFigg=237.73
robinhood4683=224.91
[43]
celtie=118.46
Miranda=106.67
[44]
robinhood4683=75.06
Miranda=67.1
[45]
Miranda=147.69
Flyer531=144.43
BlueBayou=116.96
[46]
Flyer531=164.77
ReddFigg=147.7
Miranda=129.33
[47]
Miranda=48.2
[48]
ReddFigg=74.78
BlueBayou=68.57
celtie=47.01
[49]
ReddFigg=258.13
robinhood4683=219.43
BlueBayou=210.39
Flyer531=195.68
Miranda=188.46
celtie=188.46
[50]
Flyer531=100.17
[51]
BlueBayou=160
[52]
ReddFigg=23.31
[53]
Miranda=58.83
[54]
celtie=191.97
BlueBayou=150.25
Miranda=126.14
[55]
BlueBayou=156.09
ReddFigg=136.18
Flyer531=127.17
Miranda=107.26
robinhood4683=101.04
celtie=94.58
[56]
Miranda=61.65
BlueBayou=51.4
[57]
Flyer531=225.9
[58]
Flyer531=90.33
BlueBayou=72.12
robinhood4683=68.87
[59]
BlueBayou=116.96
[61]
celtie=33.87
[62]
BlueBayou=317.86
ReddFigg=252.61
[63]
ReddFigg=207.57
Flyer531=199.46
[64]
Miranda=155.68
[65]
celtie=129.23
Flyer531=111.3
[66]
robinhood4683=151.32
BlueBayou=134.15
ReddFigg=123.87
Flyer531=116.79
[67]
robinhood4683=48.73
celtie=43.34
[68]
Flyer531=49.07
[70]
Miranda=11.54
robinhood4683=10.55
[71]
robinhood4683=82.48
[72]
BlueBayou=190.48
robinhood4683=160
Flyer531=146.76
ReddFigg=146.76
celtie=135.54
Miranda=121.91
[73]
BlueBayou=120.35
Miranda=118.66
Flyer531=103.79
[74]
Miranda=71.91
Flyer531=61.54
BlueBayou=53.94
[76]
robinhood4683=57.14
BlueBayou=44.55
[77]
BlueBayou=66.87
[78]
BlueBayou=66.02
[80]
BlueBayou=172.34
ReddFigg=128.64
Flyer531=121.63
[81]
BlueBayou=21.59
[82]
Flyer531=21
Miranda=20.46
[83]
Miranda=182.87
BlueBayou=174.18
ReddFigg=171.22
robinhood4683=152.16
[84]
robinhood4683=118.91
Flyer531=115.86
Miranda=84
[85]
robinhood4683=21.86
BlueBayou=21.43
ReddFigg=21.2
eastcoastgirl=21.2
Miranda=20.65
Flyer531=20.34
[86]
BlueBayou=169.97
robinhood4683=148.88
Flyer531=136.18
ReddFigg=135.2
eastcoastgirl=135.2
[87]
BlueBayou=185.35
robinhood4683=175.66
Miranda=144.11
[88]
robinhood4683=143.82
[89]
BlueBayou=168
Flyer531=137.84
Miranda=128.64
ReddFigg=123.31
[90]
ReddFigg=79.51
BlueBayou=77.8
[91]
Flyer531=19.89
[93]
Miranda=88.89
[94]
BlueBayou=168
[95]
Flyer531=100.17
Miranda=93.29
robinhood4683=80.55
[96]
Miranda=127.02
[97]
BlueBayou=347.38
ReddFigg=235.91
[98]
robinhood4683=78.69
Flyer531=71.64
[99]
Miranda=124.2
[100]
Flyer531=57.96
BlueBayou=42.67
[101]
Flyer531=111.3
[102]
BlueBayou=237.32
robinhood4683=229.57
ReddFigg=207.03
eastcoastgirl=197.37
Miranda=171.03
Flyer531=167.6
[103]
Flyer531=159.25
Miranda=128.48
[104]
BlueBayou=25.12
robinhood4683=24.33
ReddFigg=24.13
[106]
Miranda=99.38
eastcoastgirl=86.21
[107]
Miranda=34.24
[108]
ReddFigg=152.2
[109]
Miranda=45.17
BlueBayou=36.05
[110]
Miranda=38.96
Flyer531=36.08
BlueBayou=34.51
[111]
BlueBayou=112.39
ReddFigg=106.67
robinhood4683=87.93
eastcoastgirl=79.45
[112]
Miranda=107.76
[113]
Miranda=136.83
[114]
Flyer531=115.58
Miranda=93.67
[115]
eastcoastgirl=143.43
BlueBayou=141.07
ReddFigg=120.43
[116]
Flyer531=212.01
BlueBayou=203.27
robinhood4683=190.95
ReddFigg=186.3
Miranda=174.53
[117]
Miranda=76.29
[118]
Flyer531=60
ReddFigg=53.47
[119]
ReddFigg=106.67
BlueBayou=74.8
[121]
BlueBayou=127.58
[122]
eastcoastgirl=93.43
Miranda=90.78
robinhood4683=85.33
ReddFigg=84.21
[123]
robinhood4683=106.65
eastcoastgirl=100.5
ReddFigg=93.66
Miranda=80.32
BlueBayou=69.82
[124]
Miranda=133.56
BlueBayou=126.94
[125]
Miranda=134.26
Flyer531=109.41
[126]
Flyer531=67.76
eastcoastgirl=59.84
Miranda=55.11
[127]
Flyer531=169.41
robinhood4683=163.41
ReddFigg=153.65
eastcoastgirl=137.14
BlueBayou=126.63
Miranda=104.74
[128]
Miranda=147.28
[129]
robinhood4683=61.63
[130]
BlueBayou=51.43
[131]
Flyer531=117.91
BlueBayou=83.48
[132]
BlueBayou=142.22
Miranda=111.29
eastcoastgirl=99.42
[133]
eastcoastgirl=133
Miranda=127.46
ReddFigg=108.16
BlueBayou=103.43
[134]
ReddFigg=45.31
robinhood4683=40.42
[135]
Miranda=74.44
[136]
Miranda=144.17
Flyer531=138.02
ReddFigg=128.38
robinhood4683=122.06
[137]
Miranda=137.68
ReddFigg=121.27
Flyer531=109.38
robinhood4683=99.59
[138]
ReddFigg=50.15
[139]
robinhood4683=195.23
BlueBayou=164.56
eastcoastgirl=156.93
Miranda=156.52
[140]
Miranda=77.59
Flyer531=73.85
robinhood4683=70.8
eastcoastgirl=59.78
ReddFigg=54.67
[141]
BlueBayou=79.37
ReddFigg=72.24
eastcoastgirl=71.32
robinhood4683=70.02
[142]
BlueBayou=124.64
ReddFigg=108.46
robinhood4683=88.05
eastcoastgirl=82.03
Flyer531=78.35
[143]
robinhood4683=189.65
ReddFigg=164.27
Flyer531=143.54
Miranda=130.15
[144]
ReddFigg=44.55
Miranda=40.86
[145]
BlueBayou=106.88
[146]
eastcoastgirl=125.92
Flyer531=107.17
BlueBayou=92.17
[148]
Miranda=77.42
ReddFigg=62.33
Flyer531=60
BlueBayou=57.48
[149]
Miranda=94.04
[150]
BlueBayou=200.39
Flyer531=169.41
ReddFigg=157.83

Fast:
[1]
ReddFigg=2.75
BlueBayou=4.156
[2]
ReddFigg=2.734
robinhood4683=3.594
Flyer531=3.922
[3]
Flyer531=3.813
BlueBayou=3.938
ReddFigg=4.156
celtie=4.36
Miranda=4.844
[5]
celtie=4.047
BlueBayou=5.25
[6]
Miranda=4.109
[7]
Miranda=11.359
[8]
Miranda=3.156
robinhood4683=3.234
BlueBayou=3.39
celtie=3.578
[13]
robinhood4683=2.25
Flyer531=2.531
ReddFigg=2.984
Miranda=3.188
celtie=3.391
[14]
robinhood4683=11.344
BlueBayou=12.75
[15]
ReddFigg=2.344
Flyer531=2.484
BlueBayou=2.89
celtie=3.125
robinhood4683=3.328
[16]
celtie=4.969
Miranda=5.922
[17]
BlueBayou=4.016
robinhood4683=5.454
[19]
Miranda=4.375
[20]
ReddFigg=10.937
[21]
Miranda=7.469
[22]
robinhood4683=14.094
BlueBayou=15.422
[23]
robinhood4683=2.797
Flyer531=2.891
ReddFigg=3.016
Miranda=3.235
celtie=3.735
[24]
BlueBayou=2.937
celtie=4.297
[25]
celtie=3.469
BlueBayou=3.922
Miranda=4.141
robinhood4683=4.813
[26]
BlueBayou=2.969
[27]
Miranda=3.703
[28]
robinhood4683=7.125
[29]
ReddFigg=5.546
[30]
Miranda=17.688
[31]
ReddFigg=6.641
[32]
celtie=3.609
ReddFigg=3.671
[33]
BlueBayou=4.063
Flyer531=4.922
celtie=5.219
[34]
celtie=17.515
[35]
Miranda=7.563
robinhood4683=9.016
[36]
celtie=13.578
[37]
ReddFigg=3.797
Miranda=4.265
[38]
Miranda=5.953
ReddFigg=6.171
BlueBayou=6.906
[41]
ReddFigg=2.906
Flyer531=3.156
celtie=3.39
Miranda=3.531
[42]
BlueBayou=2.687
ReddFigg=3.281
robinhood4683=3.468
[43]
celtie=6.078
Miranda=6.75
[44]
robinhood4683=10.391
Miranda=11.625
[45]
Miranda=4.875
Flyer531=4.985
BlueBayou=6.156
[46]
Flyer531=4.734
ReddFigg=5.281
Miranda=6.031
[47]
Miranda=18.672
[49]
ReddFigg=3.719
robinhood4683=4.375
BlueBayou=4.563
Flyer531=4.906
Miranda=5.094
celtie=5.094
[50]
Flyer531=3.594
[51]
BlueBayou=3.375
[52]
ReddFigg=10.297
[53]
Miranda=11.219
[54]
celtie=2.813
BlueBayou=3.594
Miranda=4.281
[55]
BlueBayou=1.922
ReddFigg=2.203
Flyer531=2.359
Miranda=2.797
robinhood4683=2.969
celtie=3.172
[56]
Miranda=6.813
BlueBayou=8.172
[58]
Flyer531=2.657
BlueBayou=3.328
robinhood4683=3.485
[59]
BlueBayou=12.312
[61]
celtie=14.172
[62]
BlueBayou=4.719
ReddFigg=5.938
[63]
ReddFigg=4.625
Flyer531=4.813
[64]
Miranda=4.625
[65]
celtie=6.5
Flyer531=7.547
[67]
robinhood4683=6.156
celtie=6.922
[68]
Flyer531=4.891
[71]
robinhood4683=6.547
[72]
BlueBayou=1.89
robinhood4683=2.25
Flyer531=2.453
ReddFigg=2.453
celtie=2.656
Miranda=2.953
[73]
BlueBayou=5.484
Miranda=5.562
Flyer531=6.359
[74]
Miranda=4.172
Flyer531=4.875
BlueBayou=5.562
[76]
robinhood4683=5.25
BlueBayou=6.734
[77]
BlueBayou=6.281
[78]
BlueBayou=10.906
[80]
BlueBayou=2.437
ReddFigg=3.265
Flyer531=3.453
[81]
BlueBayou=16.672
[82]
Flyer531=17.14
Miranda=17.593
[83]
Miranda=6.89
BlueBayou=7.234
ReddFigg=7.359
robinhood4683=8.281
[84]
robinhood4683=3.532
Flyer531=3.625
Miranda=5
[87]
BlueBayou=4.532
robinhood4683=4.782
Miranda=5.829
[88]
robinhood4683=4.172
[89]
BlueBayou=2.5
Flyer531=3.047
Miranda=3.265
ReddFigg=3.406
[90]
ReddFigg=12.828
BlueBayou=13.11
[93]
Miranda=6.75
[94]
BlueBayou=5
[95]
Flyer531=3.594
Miranda=3.859
robinhood4683=4.469
[96]
Miranda=6.141
[97]
BlueBayou=3.109
ReddFigg=4.578
[98]
robinhood4683=11.438
Flyer531=12.563
[99]
Miranda=5.797
[100]
Flyer531=4.141
BlueBayou=5.625
[101]
Flyer531=5.391
[102]
BlueBayou=2.781
robinhood4683=2.875
ReddFigg=3.188
eastcoastgirl=3.344
Miranda=3.859
Flyer531=3.938
[103]
Flyer531=3.391
Miranda=4.203
[104]
BlueBayou=16.719
robinhood4683=17.266
ReddFigg=17.406
[106]
Miranda=6.641
eastcoastgirl=7.656
[107]
Miranda=12.266
[109]
Miranda=5.313
BlueBayou=6.657
[110]
Miranda=10.781
Flyer531=11.64
BlueBayou=12.172
[111]
BlueBayou=3.203
ReddFigg=3.375
robinhood4683=4.094
eastcoastgirl=4.531
[112]
Miranda=6.125
[113]
Miranda=7.016
[114]
Flyer531=4.672
Miranda=5.765
[115]
eastcoastgirl=3.765
BlueBayou=3.828
ReddFigg=4.484
[116]
Flyer531=5.094
BlueBayou=5.313
robinhood4683=5.656
ReddFigg=5.797
Miranda=6.188
[117]
Miranda=4.719
[118]
Flyer531=11
ReddFigg=12.344
[119]
ReddFigg=3.375
BlueBayou=4.813
[121]
BlueBayou=4.703
[122]
eastcoastgirl=12.844
Miranda=13.219
robinhood4683=14.063
ReddFigg=14.25
[123]
robinhood4683=2.813
eastcoastgirl=2.985
ReddFigg=3.203
Miranda=3.735
BlueBayou=4.297
[124]
Miranda=5.391
BlueBayou=5.672
[125]
Miranda=4.469
Flyer531=5.484
[126]
Flyer531=5.313
eastcoastgirl=6.016
Miranda=6.532
[127]
Flyer531=2.125
robinhood4683=2.203
ReddFigg=2.343
eastcoastgirl=2.625
BlueBayou=2.843
Miranda=3.437
[128]
Miranda=5.296
[129]
robinhood4683=12.656
[130]
BlueBayou=7
[131]
Flyer531=3.562
BlueBayou=5.031
[132]
BlueBayou=3.375
Miranda=4.313
eastcoastgirl=4.828
[134]
ReddFigg=10.593
robinhood4683=11.875
[135]
Miranda=9.672
[137]
Miranda=3.922
ReddFigg=4.453
Flyer531=4.937
robinhood4683=5.422
[138]
ReddFigg=8.375
[139]
robinhood4683=4.61
BlueBayou=5.469
eastcoastgirl=5.735
Miranda=5.75
[140]
Miranda=3.093
Flyer531=3.25
robinhood4683=3.39
eastcoastgirl=4.015
ReddFigg=4.39
[141]
BlueBayou=9.828
ReddFigg=10.797
eastcoastgirl=10.937
robinhood4683=11.14
[142]
BlueBayou=2.407
ReddFigg=2.766
robinhood4683=3.407
eastcoastgirl=3.657
Flyer531=3.829
[144]
ReddFigg=6.734
Miranda=7.343
[145]
BlueBayou=7.859
[148]
Miranda=3.875
ReddFigg=4.813
Flyer531=5
BlueBayou=5.219
[149]
Miranda=3.828
[150]
BlueBayou=3.593
Flyer531=4.25
ReddFigg=4.562

Row, Score and other stats collected at match time:

[played]
BlueBayou=BlueBayou
celtie=celtie
Flyer531=Flyer531
robinhood4683=robinhood4683
ReddFigg=ReddFigg
Miranda=Miranda
eastcoastgirl=eastcoastgirl
[2row]
ReddFigg=11
Miranda=11
robinhood4683=13
Flyer531=7
BlueBayou=27
[3row]
Miranda=7
[Teams]
Team1=TAT
Team2=KFA
[general]
currentseason=111
grade=A
[matchscore]
BlueBayou=109
celtie=34
Flyer531=75
robinhood4683=73
ReddFigg=78
Miranda=115
eastcoastgirl=21
[LastSeason]
BlueBayou=210
celtie=210
Flyer531=210
robinhood4683=210
ReddFigg=210
Miranda=210
eastcoastgirl=210
[fast]
BlueBayou=1.719
celtie=2.328
Flyer531=2.125
robinhood4683=1.829
ReddFigg=2.203
Miranda=2.641
eastcoastgirl=2.625
[row]
BlueBayou=3
celtie=2
Flyer531=3
robinhood4683=5
ReddFigg=2
Miranda=4
eastcoastgirl=3
[cpm]
BlueBayou=347.38
celtie=241.43
Flyer531=255.99
robinhood4683=236.69
ReddFigg=258.13
Miranda=219.19
eastcoastgirl=197.37
[Season]
BlueBayou=4
celtie=6
Flyer531=10
robinhood4683=11
ReddFigg=9
Miranda=5
eastcoastgirl=11

some of the last above scores may be best times / CPMs to date before the match, makes it easier to compare to best stats at the end of the match to update your master score file

hope that helps
FireHorse

Thanks Fire for putting up the code and explanations. :dance2: All Greek to me.

I am pretty sure I?m not understanding this correctly:

Scenario:

A GRADE PLAYER STATS
Score 80, cpm 287.31, fast 2.969, row 2
Score 80 + 287.31/5 = 6, fast 5, row 6 = 80+6+5+6 = Qpoints 97?

C GRADE PLAYER STATS
Score 80, cpm 186.68, fast 4.587, row 3
Score 80, 187/5 = 4, fast 1, row 18 = 80+4+1+18 = Qpoints 103?

Is this how Q points add together? Are they whole numbers?

Now lets say the median for A grade is 250 and the median for C grade is also 250 would the grade factor then be 0.00? Would that then calculate these two players as comparable?

Also, if a player answered the question correctly in 1.89 seconds, would a player who also responded with the correct answer in 3.328 seconds still get a point? Or is the cutoff 2.89?

Cheers,
Redd

Fire, Thank you for that super thorough posting. I'll read it well or better tomorrow. I was relieved to see you wrote this, "If anyone is still with me at this point then I want to talk to you...lol." I got there but not with all my brain on. Sun

wow, I really need to check these boards more often. For some reason I dont get these via email anymore so am unaware of new posts so apollogies for not staying current

Also have had a bit of a flu for the past week and a bit and I am still struggling to get my head around complicated concepts

I will post all the code and explanations to go along with it so you all can help refine the system but for now lets clarify a few things. What you are doing when you compare stats are looking at best stats. The grading and champ ranks actually award scores per question. I know it needs refinement and perhaps we should drop fast or CPM or Row but lets examine it closely before we do as everyone is ranked by the same system so by my rekoning the more comparisons we can make surely the more accurate the system will be.

Firstly the players all get scores based on each question they answer

~ Score

2 points for first, 1 point for 2nd, 3rd 4th... etc

~ CPM

Your CPM score is the CPM divided by 50 so if you scored a CPM of 250 for a question your CPM score would be 5


~ Fast

if (%thisfast < 2) { var %fastfactor = 7 }
elseif ((%thisfast > 2) && (%thisfast < 2.5)) var %fastfactor = 6
elseif ((%thisfast > 2.5) && (%thisfast < 3)) var %fastfactor = 5
elseif ((%thisfast > 3) && (%thisfast < 4)) var %fastfactor = 4
elseif ((%thisfast > 4) && (%thisfast < 5)) var %fastfactor = 3
elseif ((%thisfast > 5) && (%thisfast < 10)) var %fastfactor = 2
else var %fastfactor = 1

so from the above code you can see the divisions in seconds which affect how much you score for each question based on how fast it is answered. 7 points for an answer less than 2 secs, 6 for between 2 and 2.5 secs etc.


~ Row
var %rowmatchbonus = 0
var %v = 2
while (%v < 8) {
var %thisrowrank = $readini(match.ini, %v $+ row, %name)
var %thisrowscore = $calc( ((%v - 1) * 6) * %thisrowrank)
var %rowmatchbonus = %rowmatchbonus + %thisrowscore
inc %v
}

the above code says if you get 2 in a row you get 6 points, 3 = 18, 4 = 24 etc, so its row x 6

var %yourCPMav = $calc(%totalCPM / %answerCount)


The code then takes your per question score and divides it by 150 (or how many questions you faced in that match) to get a match average (or Qscore)

It then applies a grade factor which is based on the median scores of teams in each grade. So lets say each of the 3 grades had played 4 matches there would be 8 scores in each grade, the middle 2 scores are added and divided by 2 to get a median. Now lets say the median for A grade is 400 and the median for B grade is 300 the grade factor would be 0.75 (it is normally a bit closer than that but lets use these numbers as they are easy to visualise)

Now lets also look at the possibility the median for C grade is 200 making another 0.75 grade factor. So we now take a player in C grade with an average Qscore of 40 and divide it by 0.75 to get 30 which would be their anticipated score in B grade given the grade factor and the potentially higher competition. Then we apply another 0.75 to get 22.5 which would be their anticiapted A grade score. Now we have everyone on a level field and can compare and rank.

Now we have everyones Qscore we then add the total team score together but averaging the bottom 2 or 3 players to get a team rank score.

If anyone is still with me at this point then I want to talk to you...lol

I know its not a perfect system but I think its on the right track. I would be happy to modify it to suit but I hope you all can appreciated the complexity of turning this into code and that if we do change it I want to do it once and do it right

Please hit me with more questions as I am sure I have not explained it very well and many of you may want clarifications. I also think there might be a broken bit in the code that is not working right and will be hunting that down as soon as my mind is sharp again

hope that helps
FireHorse

Hey Nasty (F)

Now that?s thinking! I also agree that score is THE factor however being faster equips a player with an added advantage in capturing more of the spoils. In addition to coming in first and getting two points there are also pickup points that can be obtained if your ping is fast enough and you are fast enough to copy a short answer you didn?t know and slide in for a single point. So speed remains an important factor in score.

I have never compared grade speeds and I don?t know what the time leeway is for speed. Is it 0.5 or 1.00 that a player needs to be within to score a point? Don't know, but a player could score 110 in C grade, be ranked A1, play in A grade and get very few points, not because they don?t know the answers, but because they are immersed in fast types. :shrug:

Cheers,
Redd

Okay, here is a suggestion as to how to rank players and teams. It's very basic compared to what the arenabot does but it might have a chance of working.

To rank individuals:

Use score. Yes it's nice for the champscores to take into account fast, cpm and rows but for ranking of players none of that is neccesary. Scores win games and ultimately decide whether a team is out of its depth or not.

I would propose this:
scores of 80+ mean the player would suit/cope with the next grade up
score 50-80 mean the player is suitable for that grade
score below 50 and the player would suit the next grade down.

So I am calling the mean score between 50 and 80. So if you have a team of three players where those players average scores in that grade add up to over 240 then they would need to be in the next grade up.

I think at lower grades (C and D, as was) the thresholds need to be slightly lower since the total scoring is lower. We could say score of 70+ mean they could handle the next grade up and therefore team averages of over 210 mean they should be in the next grade up (conversely scores of less than 40 would indicate more suitable for lower grade).

I haven't come up with a good way of transferring scores from one grade to another. For example, we can only assess a team based on the grade(s) that its constituent players have actually played in. So if you have a team of players that have played in differing grades in the past then we wouldn't be able to add the average scores up. Perhaps there needs to be a up or downgrading of average score. Perhaps by 15 points each way.

The following team played in grade C last round and scored the following overall scores and averages in the process of reaching the final:
Player A scored 436 in 6 games. Average of 73
Player B scored 120 in 5 games. Average of 24
Player C scored 309 in 4 games. Average of 76
Player D scored 171 in 2 games. Average of 86

Using my system, three of the teams players have average scores in excess of 70 which would indicate that they could handle life in grade B. 73 + 76 + 86 = 235 > 210

I need to try to find a way of factoring in the 4th player. Perhaps that can be done by adding the 4 players together, dividing by 4 then multiplying by 3. Lets try it...

73 + 76 + 86 + 24 = 259/4 = 65 x 3 = 195 < 210

That indicates that the overall strength of the team is better suited to grade C (as was, with the reduction of grades this round it is more difficult to say).

If we do say that this team would average 10-15 points less per player in grade B they would be getting around the 200 mark using their 3 strongest players but only 160ish factoring in all four players.

Is there any promise with this?

Even if there isn't I've enjoyed playing around for half an hour :P

Hey sunny (F)

Yeppers I am presuming everything will change all down the line as more matches are played. It's always easier to make corrections (if that can be done) early, rather than later. Hoopla along! If you notice anything post on!

Cheers
Redd

Hiyas Figgies(F), Wow-and so like these rankings are based on that number of matches? I played mere one. Maybe we don't make any much hooplah about all these rankings until all the matches are played--certainly these ratings will change by then? Stunklingly possible, no? Sunny

Hiyas Sunny (F)

Two A Grade teams have actually played all four of their matches, TAT and KFB, and are immeasurably waiting to move into the quarter-finals without befuddledom.

Hope that helps!

Cheers,
Redd